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Post by whosnext on May 2, 2019 16:10:29 GMT
I vote yes. But (asking for a friend) ... what if someone wanted to amend/add to the agenda? How would that work? If we are already voting on a draft (proposed) agenda, would we then have another vote on whether to amend/add to the agenda? That doesn't make much sense. I guess that the answer is that we have to get the ball rolling somehow. So the agenda-setting process for the initial committee meeting is not necessarily identical to the agenda-setting process for subsequent meetings which may well be a discussion topic in one of the above agenda items (1.1 or 1.2?). To coin a phrase, Never Mind! I would say the points on this agenda are just to start things. The actual work is gonna take place in subcommitees. It is largely a moot point now, but I was commenting on OP saying to post any amendments/additions to the proposed agenda in the thread while at the same time posting a poll to vote on the proposed agenda. Those two seemed (mildly) contradictory to me and I felt the need (for whatever reason) to point that out. I am sorry for causing any confusion or consternation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 17:13:57 GMT
The poll in OP can be replaced at any time with a fresh poll to vote on whether or not to approve amendments, which could then be replaced by a new poll to approve the revised agenda. In each thread, there is no limit to how many times the poll can be updated. So for example if we have a motion that requires a vote, a poll can be added, and if that motion fails and a revised motion is introduced, the poll can be edited to allow a new vote on the revised motion. Then that poll can be replaced to allow votes on the next motion.
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Post by kerowo on May 2, 2019 17:49:32 GMT
I don’t think there is any record of a poll once it is replaced though...
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Post by zan nen on May 2, 2019 18:03:31 GMT
I don’t think there is any record of a poll once it is replaced though... Hopefully our facilitator will make an inline post summarizing the previous vote before it is replaced by the new vote. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:26:15 GMT
Yes, I would screenshot it; however, since some people may not be voting in the polls due to Tapatalk, and everyone seems to be voting manually in the thread, the officially manual tally would be preserved in the thread. In order to make multiple votes in a single thread less confusing, I plan to identify motions with something like "1.2 Motion A" and then people can vote "A VOTE YES," and later "B Vote Yes," and we will have some clarity over exactly which motion a VOTE YES is for. At times it might also make sense to open a new thread for discussion that may be running a little in parallel due to the flexible time scheduling of the "meeting."
In any case, this is all on an ad hoc basis to get things going, and we'll consider how we want to codify all of this stuff in 1.2.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:33:12 GMT
I propose that we also have a vote on whether or not to close the committee - although that could fall under structure. Are you okay with having this as part of the discussion in 1.2 about structure? Your proposal was suggested once in the other thread and then withdrawn, and there was also a suggestion that we make this a standing committee, so I agree we need to address this in the meeting, and think it can get hashed out in 1.2. How easy is it for you to make me a mod of this forum for the duration of this meeting (or global mod but I won't mod anything outside of this forum)? If it's easy enough and nobody objects, I can foresee circumstances in which having the power to extract posts from one thread and move them into their own thread might be useful, for example if two or more topics are getting debated at the same time in a single thread since people will be entering and leaving the thread at different times. |
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Post by kerowo on May 2, 2019 18:58:53 GMT
I would choose 1 way of voting or the other. Asking committee members to log in to a web browser once a vote doesn’t seem too onerous.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:09:05 GMT
The problem with only voting by poll is that there has been some concern that the anonymity could lead to an influx of illegal voting by foreign nationals and other non-committee members. My original plan was to have everyone vote in the poll, and just go to a manual vote if there were concerns about the legitimacy but then everyone started voting in the thread as well. The problem with only voting manually in the thread is that there is no easy way to see the current tally. Not being able to see results before you vote might be a feature, not a bug, but personally I like to be able to glance at the poll to see where things stand once I've voted.
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Post by kerowo on May 2, 2019 19:13:37 GMT
If you don’t see the view voters button Cuse should mod you so you can.
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Post by commonWealth (admin) on May 2, 2019 19:14:54 GMT
I propose that we also have a vote on whether or not to close the committee - although that could fall under structure. Are you okay with having this as part of the discussion in 1.2 about structure? Your proposal was suggested once in the other thread and then withdrawn, and there was also a suggestion that we make this a standing committee, so I agree we need to address this in the meeting, and think it can get hashed out in 1.2. How easy is it for you to make me a mod of this forum for the duration of this meeting (or global mod but I won't mod anything outside of this forum)? If it's easy enough and nobody objects, I can foresee circumstances in which having the power to extract posts from one thread and move them into their own thread might be useful, for example if two or more topics are getting debated at the same time in a single thread since people will be entering and leaving the thread at different times. Fine with me, and I'm happy to mod you in here if nobody objects. It should be relatively easy. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:16:26 GMT
Oh, if mods can see who voted that changes everything
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Post by lapka on May 2, 2019 20:05:01 GMT
I wonder..... And it has somehow to do with what whosnext said....
I think that may be the 1.5 should be moved as a part of 1.3. Just from the general logic view. I mean..... it is somehow a part of the question how the general decision process in the community should be designed.
But at the same time it all is not so important. The priority should be to move forward. I am perfectly fine with leaving it like it is.
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Post by Louis Cyphre on May 2, 2019 21:04:00 GMT
Voted yes
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Post by fuluck on May 2, 2019 22:56:16 GMT
Voted yes
If I lag behind a bit don't hold it against me. I don't have time for more than a quick browse most week days but can normally catch up on Sundays.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 23:26:45 GMT
lapka, I was planning on opening a thread for 1.5 right at the start since it isn't contingent on anything else being passed first, so there will be a thread to discuss increasing participation while 1.1 and 1.2 are being debated, it just won't be in the same thread. Does that work for you?
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Post by lapka on May 3, 2019 0:18:48 GMT
lapka , I was planning on opening a thread for 1.5 right at the start since it isn't contingent on anything else being passed first, so there will be a thread to discuss increasing participation while 1.1 and 1.2 are being debated, it just won't be in the same thread. Does that work for you? perfect.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 1:47:49 GMT
Unless there are any objections before then, I am going to call the meeting to order sometime tomorrow afternoon.
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Post by commonWealth (admin) on May 3, 2019 5:38:17 GMT
Gregorio, I set you up to mod this board, so you should be all set with that.
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Post by Ezeem, the Second Thirsty on May 3, 2019 6:50:12 GMT
Voted yes
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Post by lapka on May 3, 2019 9:46:14 GMT
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Post by jalfrezi on May 3, 2019 17:25:04 GMT
Voted YES
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Post by whosnext on May 3, 2019 17:39:20 GMT
I think that is everybody and everybody voted Yes. Of course, I would normally not keep track of such things. ETA: oh, it looks like Deuce might not have voted (per the Members page he hasn't logged into the site since this thread was created). |
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Post by MrWookie on May 3, 2019 17:41:21 GMT
I think that is everybody and everybody voted Yes. Of course, I would normally not keep track of such things. I don't see Deuce unless he's in the poll and not the thread. But we should not let a single absence block us here. Onward! |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 17:55:45 GMT
Gregorio, I set you up to mod this board, so you should be all set with that. I don't seem to have any mod powers. Regardless, I will get things going after I eat lunch. |
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Post by whosnext on May 3, 2019 18:01:43 GMT
I see you listed as Moderator for this Board in a couple of places. Feel free to test out your powers by deleting this post!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 19:14:02 GMT
Bump for three new threads opened in this forum. MrWookie kerowo if either of you are able to lock this thread, I would appreciate it. |
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Post by kerowo on May 3, 2019 19:21:36 GMT
After a slight hiccup this is done
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 1:10:44 GMT
Bump for updates in OP
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 6:28:11 GMT
I regret that I'm going to need to step down as facilitator of this meeting at the end of this week. If someone would like to take over sooner, I'm happy to step aside at any time.
I did not foresee the amount of time and effort it would take to complete this meeting. I've already devoted more time to this than I can afford, and I can't continue to take on this responsibility any longer.
I am also going to resign from the governance committee, as I post on the internet to **** around and enjoy myself, and this has felt much more like work and obligation than my actual job.
I apologize for not fulfilling the role I volunteered to carry out.
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Post by Rexx14 on May 7, 2019 6:49:30 GMT
If the process is too labour intensive and somebody like greg wants to quit completely it doesn't bode well tbh.
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