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Post by catfacemeowmers on May 13, 2019 15:55:37 GMT
I didn't see Gregorio's post that triggered all of this, but in my opinion the mods have done a fine job to this point. If we're planning on migrating to a new site with a new ownership entity sooner rather than later, I think this should be something that's discussed pre-move, so that a new (or not new) mod team can hit the ground running at the permanent domain.
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Post by microbet on May 13, 2019 23:29:37 GMT
Governance committee,
Two mods are either out or have requested to be out. I have lobbied for a system of rotating members and being impatient picked a member, the only criteria being they are a good and respected poster and have not been included in any kind of authority around here or from 2p2 and it was smacc25. He is willing to serve. Wookie and Cuse both think there is demand for more mods. Cuse suggested that I propose smacc25 as a candidate to the governance committee. Done. Godspeed.
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Post by kerowo on May 14, 2019 1:18:20 GMT
Why does it matter if they were involved in modding on 2+2 since all the mods you have where mods on 2+2?
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Post by microbet on May 14, 2019 1:47:49 GMT
Why does it matter if they were involved in modding on 2+2 since all the mods you have where mods on 2+2? Doesn't really. If I really had my way, it'd be (just about*) anyone can sign up for the mod rotation list and serve a term of like a month when they got called up. I just think it's a good idea to move off the precedent that all the mods were mods on 2p2 so if it's just picking one or two new mods now, I'd pick people who weren't mods on 2p2. *the only obvious person I'd rule out that I've noticed is stentorian (and lovemuffin because too many people would be mad) but w/e I'm sure there'd be more people who would be objected to. |
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Post by kerowo on May 14, 2019 3:48:46 GMT
You don't want to instaban shitty posters from 2+2 but you will insta-reject mods from 2+2. You should maybe examine your relationship with authority before you get too far into the ownership of the new site...
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Post by Rexx14 on May 14, 2019 3:58:52 GMT
One good thing about rotating mods would hopefully people being more understanding of mods decisions. Well you'd hope for that but possibly grudges would be exacerbated. I'm not really keen on a system like 2p2 where unless a mod does something totally shitty like theft or whatever, they pretty much hold that position forever. Even if they're pretty much inactive or an arsehole.
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Post by whosnext on May 14, 2019 4:17:08 GMT
Just in case people don't see it, there is now a new thread here entitled "Call for Nominations for Additional Mods" where people can volunteer to become a mod and/or discuss adding new mods at this time.
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Post by microbet on May 14, 2019 4:24:02 GMT
You don't want to instaban shitty posters from 2+2 but you will insta-reject mods from 2+2. You should maybe examine your relationship with authority before you get too far into the ownership of the new site... I know I don't like authority, but you are really failing to understand what I said and meant. Perhaps the many chips on your shoulders are too distracting. |
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Post by microbet on May 14, 2019 4:32:53 GMT
FFS Kerowo, the first thing I said to your question was "Doesn't really". What the fuck man? Can you pull back for one second and try to understand my point? I've tried like a thousand times to say I don't think you or the other mods did anything wrong and now, in direct answer to your question, I tell you I think former mods, along with everyone else should be in rotation!!! Jesus, man. Is it that offensive to you that I think that if just one or two new people are added that they shouldn't be 2p2 mods? Don't you see how that's an issue that ONLY 2p2 mods became mods here? It's nothing personal against you god fucking dammit.
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Post by kerowo on May 14, 2019 14:06:50 GMT
You don't want to instaban shitty posters from 2+2 but you will insta-reject mods from 2+2. You should maybe examine your relationship with authority before you get too far into the ownership of the new site... I know I don't like authority, but you are really failing to understand what I said and meant. Perhaps the many chips on your shoulders are too distracting. Explain it please. You said no one who had authority on 2+2 should apply. What am I not understanding? |
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Post by lapka on May 14, 2019 14:20:10 GMT
I know I don't like authority, but you are really failing to understand what I said and meant. Perhaps the many chips on your shoulders are too distracting. Explain it please. You said no one who had authority on 2+2 should apply. What am I not understanding? Come on man.....
Micro said explicitly that he has nothing against having mods, who also modded on 2+2. He just would like to have also someone else. He would like a situation where mod crew consists of wide representation of the population of this site.
I also understand his reasons. To lessen the feeling of closed clique of mods, where no one else can enter and to give other people a chance to understand better, what it is like to be a mod. I totally get him
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Post by microbet on May 14, 2019 14:22:06 GMT
I know I don't like authority, but you are really failing to understand what I said and meant. Perhaps the many chips on your shoulders are too distracting. Explain it please. You said no one who had authority on 2+2 should apply. What am I not understanding? Ok, I can see that reading of what I badly wrote. But "and being impatient picked a member, the only criteria being they are a good and respected poster and have not been included in any kind of authority around here or from 2p2 and it was smacc25." This is a complete thought. The "have not been included..." part was just about my criteria for selecting smacc25 and not about a sign up for anyone willing. |
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Post by kerowo on May 14, 2019 14:23:32 GMT
Governance committee, Two mods are either out or have requested to be out. I have lobbied for a system of rotating members and being impatient picked a member, the only criteria being they are a good and respected poster and have not been included in any kind of authority around here or from 2p2 and it was smacc25. He is willing to serve. Wookie and Cuse both think there is demand for more mods. Cuse suggested that I propose smacc25 as a candidate to the governance committee. Done. Godspeed. I can only read your words Micro, not your mind. All of the mods fall afoul of your criteria. Jman (if he doesn’t change his mind) and I are the only 2 people who have had “authority around here” so forgive me if it felt a bit passive aggressive towards me. FFS Kerowo, the first thing I said to your question was "Doesn't really". What the fuck man? Can you pull back for one second and try to understand my point? I've tried like a thousand times to say I don't think you or the other mods did anything wrong and now, in direct answer to your question, I tell you I think former mods, along with everyone else should be in rotation!!! Jesus, man. Is it that offensive to you that I think that if just one or two new people are added that they shouldn't be 2p2 mods? Don't you see how that's an issue that ONLY 2p2 mods became mods here? It's nothing personal against you god fucking dammit. What I’m tired of is all the bullshit “we love all the current mods but hate their decisions and think we need new mods who don’t have any of the characteristics of the mod who has made the decisions we don’t like.” As hard as you’ve worked on the governance of the forum I have worked on moderating. Every decision was made with an eye toward helping us figure out what kind of rules we want. I suppose I could have put them into a poll and had 12 people vote on them sometime next month but that’s too theoretical, like playing cards for play money. And my motivation and qualification have been questioned at every step. If you want to know how not to build a community that’s it. When we started this place I felt a ton of ownership in the community and wanted to do whatever I could to make it better. Well, that’s been taken care of pretty fucking thoroughly. |
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Post by microbet on May 14, 2019 14:24:30 GMT
And my apologies for the curse and blasphemy filed rant.
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Post by microbet on May 14, 2019 14:28:51 GMT
I get that a lot of people have given you shit over decisions, but not me. I don't think you guys should be replaced because of anything about you or what you've done. I think mods should be selected differently is all.
And you mention the committees: there was no selection or election. They were basically open to anyone and still are.
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Post by lapka on May 14, 2019 14:30:38 GMT
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