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Apr 21, 2019 0:35:32 GMT
Post by jbro on Apr 21, 2019 0:35:32 GMT
I'm willing to provide financial assistance. I'll start by pledging $200, let me know when it's needed and how to send.
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Apr 21, 2019 0:40:49 GMT
Post by jmakin on Apr 21, 2019 0:40:49 GMT
$500 here.
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Apr 21, 2019 1:17:49 GMT
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Post by skalanskabeast on Apr 21, 2019 1:17:49 GMT
500$ minimum , if someone monetizes this site I expect double my $ back , as should anyone donating imo. If nobody smells blood and in the water and this is non profit, 500$ gift is fine by me and would do more or annually if need be.
FYI. I would be 100% fine if someone went for their jugular or if it stayed member financed
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Apr 21, 2019 1:51:03 GMT
Post by clovis8 on Apr 21, 2019 1:51:03 GMT
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Apr 21, 2019 2:50:40 GMT
Post by marty on Apr 21, 2019 2:50:40 GMT
I'll help with some $$$.
And I'll mod the sports forum for free lol.
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Apr 21, 2019 3:14:30 GMT
Post by Loden Pants on Apr 21, 2019 3:14:30 GMT
$27/month, first 12 months in advance. If monetization occurs, I'm expecting profits to go toward improving the site or progressive causes, not as returns to investors. So, I think the entity that accepts money should be established and registered, so that donors/investors know what to expect.
Also might be able to donate software, depending on need. PM/email for details on that.
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Apr 21, 2019 3:54:00 GMT
Post by kerowo on Apr 21, 2019 3:54:00 GMT
I'm rebuilding and have fairly limited funds but I think creating a Patreon account (or something similar) which makes it easy for people to set up small monthly contributions would be something to look into.
At what point would setting up an LLC or non-profit organization to "own" the board be worth thinking about?
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Apr 21, 2019 11:47:07 GMT
Post by IrishRunner on Apr 21, 2019 11:47:07 GMT
Would be absolutely happy to contribute some funds if needed to grow the site.
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Apr 22, 2019 7:16:57 GMT
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Post by europa on Apr 22, 2019 7:16:57 GMT
I'd donate some small amount as well - bit is it even needed? Hosting a forum in 2019 should be basically free, even if you attach a basic website to it?
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Post by commonWealth (admin) on Apr 22, 2019 7:42:51 GMT
For now I don't think any money is going to be needed. It could be needed for podcasts, depending on who gets involved and how much the people doing it want to invest financially. There's a possibility that some people want to do it but not spend the money on equipment and others want to listen and support it, but not actually be "on air." It could eventually be needed if we're not generating ad revenue but are growing too quickly - seems counter intuitive, though. Basically the idea of this subforum is just to get a list of people who are willing to help out in various ways - could be with the technical side, the content side, modding, money, whatever. Then if/when we need help of that variety, we'll have a list of people who had previously expressed interest. All non-binding of course, despite our poker roots .
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Apr 22, 2019 12:06:18 GMT
Post by superuberbob on Apr 22, 2019 12:06:18 GMT
A Patreon page is probably the way to go. Social media would be a great extension of this site.
We should keep in mind that when it comes to podcasts, we're competing with professionals with much larger budgets. They have professionals who edit this and thus have much greater sound quality. We really have to up our editing game when it comes to podcasting. If our podcast has shit sound quality in the beginning, nobody will listen. I'll ask my cousin for specific equipment and software he uses when this gets off the ground but that was a piece of advice he gave me.
I'm not sure how much I can provide just yet. I'd like to provide a monthly donation but I'll see what my budget is like this fall.
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Apr 22, 2019 16:27:00 GMT
Post by monsterjmcgee on Apr 22, 2019 16:27:00 GMT
Would donate to a Patreon monthly
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Apr 22, 2019 20:05:05 GMT
Post by catfacemeowmers on Apr 22, 2019 20:05:05 GMT
I'd do a Patreon subscription, but probably can't swing a large donation at the moment. Will be checking in other threads to see where else I can contribute!
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Post by nunnehi on Apr 23, 2019 4:53:14 GMT
We should keep in mind that when it comes to podcasts, we're competing with professionals with much larger budgets. They have professionals who edit this and thus have much greater sound quality. We really have to up our editing game when it comes to podcasting. If our podcast has shit sound quality in the beginning, nobody will listen. I'll ask my cousin for specific equipment and software he uses when this gets off the ground but that was a piece of advice he gave me. You're way carting before the horse here. Yes, your stuff can't sound like total crap, but you shouldn't be spending a lot of money to create something theoretically perceived as professional without knowing whether you have an audience or will be able to monetize the content. So what you want to have is a basic set up that will not turn people off as your content is what will build your audience not your sound quality at the beginning. If the content starts making a significant amount of money (more than what upgrades would cost), you upgrade along with the increase in audience. The vast majority of people who post stuff on the internet use their webcams from laptops or computers or their phones. As long as the environment the person's using is not hostile (not much background noise), and it doesn't sound like it's coming out of a toilet, it's a decent baseline while you try to get a following without needing to sound pro or spend really any money. You could do this really well (I could consult the setup at a level that would be way higher than most podcasters even consider, but is still reasonable), and still never get an audience that would make it worth the money that would need to be spent to even do this at the most basic professional level possible. If the site gets traction, some amount of money from the monetization could go toward things that would generate a loss in the beginning like podcasts.
Another issue is that the podcasts would likely be done from multiple locations, which makes the technical challenges much harder and time consuming to overcome for non-professionals (cuse probably has the ability to overcome this with some help). Unless this would essentially be treated like a live show, you're talking major time considerations to get the materials from what I'm guessing would be 4 or 5 people recording in their own spaces. Then all that stuff needs to be synched together, and then it needs to be edited and packaged for consumption. This higher end version is the kind of thing that would need a dedicated producer (cuse is probably capable of this but I doubt he will like the amount of time he would have to spend on it in the early stages while he's figuring out what the podcast will ultimately be), people who have enough technical ability to create a decent recording, and someone who would be a skilled editor to package it for best consumption.
I also just found something called Zencastr that would probably be an acceptable 'start' if the professional standard is desired. It records everything on the site, and creates files to one location after it's done from a brief look. To make it be at the best quality, all microphones and interfaces would need to be the same, but it seems like the least problematic from a quick look at their website. It costs $20 a month for what you're hoping to do, but I'm not thrilled at the highest sound quality being 16 Bit 44.1kHz .wav files (broadcast standard is 24 Bit 48kHz, though the quality they have is acceptable as it's CD quality). When deciding what kind of show the podcast should be, watch a few programs on MSNBC (Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, and Lawrence O'Donnell are likely the ones that would be closest to what you're trying to capture for the type of show you'd want to do), and you can see how a live program goes with professionals. They often look like clowns when the teleprompter misfires, or a technical issue comes up. That's the beauty of live anything. If something bad happens, so be it, it's live. If you're trying for packaged content, it needs to be tight so everyone comes across as well as possible. That would mean everyone is using the same kind of equipment (same mics would be crucial) to get a very consistent sound quality minus whatever each person's location is. I'm a high end professional post-production sound mixer, and am more than capable of setting a standard of quality for both the sound and content editorial of something like this, but it would take way too much time for me to ever considering doing the actual editing/mixing for free for level I would want to deliver. My suggestion when this idea goes (at first), is to look into this Zencastr program and do lots of tests before launching (I would be willing to help with this). If it's treated like a true live program, then it can just be editing for mistakes (using the individual files for fixes) and to make it come across better. Zencastr helps organize the material to get the best chance of most flexibility post-recording, so I think it's likely a good choice to start with. This stuff is not complicated to do, it's complicated to do well. The first set up of a program will determine how complicated it is, and as I said there needs to be an extensive planning stage for logistics before anything is done. This is the best cheapest microphone I would suggest to get to a decent professional sound quality:www.amazon.com/Electro-Voice-635A-Handheld-Interview-Microphone/dp/B0010CKJJE/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ev+635a&qid=1555991452&s=gateway&sr=8-1The next step up would be getting headset microphones, which would cost about $250 each after cabling, but they would be providing better isolation if multiple people are in a room at the same time. These mics would be more similar to sports broadcast microphones. They are great for hostile environments and lots of in room participants.
For an interface, this is about the cheapest professional one you can get to serve the purposes if everyone stays separate:
In addition to that basic equipment, you would need an XLR microphone cable, that would cost about 8-11 bucks depending on the length needed.
The microphone I linked was a staple of TV news for a tremendously long time, has a frequency response that stands up in archive recordings 40+ years old, and you can use it to hammer nails it's so durable. I would need to do some tests on my end to see what problems it would have since it's been so long since I've used one (I would probably just rent one), but I think it would be the most user friendly microphone that could be used for this. I can't remember for sure, but I'm not even sure you can pop a 'P' on it. The problem with any mic like this is that people will most likely need an interface or recorder to use it, and these are all costs that shouldn't be incurred except maybe by the individuals who'd want to be the podcasters for such an unknown up or downside. I think you're realistically looking at spending close to $1k+ for the starter professional set up (4 mics, 4 interfaces, 4 cables, mic stands are additional cost not factored in here). I know cuse mentioned that he has professional microphones, but I'd want to know more information about that to give input.
Just keep me updated on this idea, and I could at least help from a consulting and start up level provided I have the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 5:10:57 GMT
I get decent results with the basic Yeti mic and USB cable with a stocking stretched over a coat hanger for a pop filter and editing clicks and noise in Audition, and Audacity might be good enough for free. I'm just recording myself so I don't have to worry about syncing and matching levels--obviously making two people who aren't in the same room sound like they are is time-consuming and takes a skillset I doubt I have.
But like you say, the quality of the content is the most important thing, as Chicago Joey's podcast streamed live on Hangouts, often with a guest using a headset mic, demonstrates. Even professional podcasts like Barnwell on ESPN often have really poor audio quality on the guest's side, but if the content is there people will tolerate that.
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Apr 23, 2019 5:18:32 GMT
Post by nunnehi on Apr 23, 2019 5:18:32 GMT
Can you link me to something you've done so I can evaluate the quality?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 5:46:46 GMT
I don't think so, since I prefer to be relatively anonymous. If you're just wondering what I mean by decent quality, I guess I can record myself reading some posts. If you're wondering if I'm delusionally thinking it's studio-quality professional-level stuff, obviously it's not, but I think it's good enough for podcasts or YouTubes.
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Apr 23, 2019 6:13:24 GMT
Post by nunnehi on Apr 23, 2019 6:13:24 GMT
Whatever you want to do, I'm just curious what your set up sounds like.
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Apr 23, 2019 18:02:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 18:02:59 GMT
Not sure how obvious PMs are here so check your PMs, I sent you a recording.
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May 10, 2019 14:58:14 GMT
Post by lapka on May 10, 2019 14:58:14 GMT
If someone wants to participate in the discussion in our government on Coop or non-profit, please have a look in the Government/simple structure thread.
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