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Post by jbro on Jun 16, 2019 13:01:52 GMT
Sorry for the spelling error, but it's simplusetus that has the domain. He's already said he's ready to turn it over whenever.
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Post by geewhysee on Jun 16, 2019 20:36:50 GMT
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Post by geewhysee on Jun 16, 2019 20:52:01 GMT
BTW can one of you nerds explain why I can't just Google a meme, right click save location as and then post it like I used to? I genuinely couldn't figure out how to post the above gif.
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Post by otatop on Jun 16, 2019 21:23:58 GMT
It looks like you just need to copy the link then delete the "?itemid=5020150" part at the end, let's post and check.
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Post by lapka on Jun 16, 2019 22:17:16 GMT
GYC, Now that made me curious. So I tried it. If you click directly on the link it goes not to the image itself, but to the page where this image is used. Right click with the mouse on the picture opens options, one of which is something like "copy URL of the picture". Do it and insert it here in the "pictures posting" button.
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Post by microbet on Jun 18, 2019 3:51:29 GMT
So, this seems completely unopposed. If anyone else with admin wants to do that, fine. What will take longer here is getting this happening with simplicitus. I'll PM him.
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Post by simplicitus on Jun 18, 2019 18:53:52 GMT
Hey guys, been pretty busy with a sick mom and work, so mainly just following the Trump thread lately. I'll look into redirecting the unstuck URL to this forum in the next 24 hrs or so. Am, of course, willing to xfer the domain to some kind of "official" but I've been around a long time and ain't running off and ain't gonna sell the domain name for beer money. Private msg is the best way to contact me, as I check the forum at least once a day.
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Post by microbet on Jun 18, 2019 19:22:39 GMT
Cool. Anyone who has an opinion on this, please weigh in and anyone with admin, feel free to take a look. Options are we manage DNS or Proboards does. I don't think proboards managing the DNS is as scary as it sounds. To do this we/simplicitus just change the name servers where ever he registered the domain to point here. That's pretty normal imo. It's what I've done to point domains from GoDaddy to Linode. You can change that at any time. It's not like you're giving proboards control of the domain. Why wouldn't we want to just update the name servers to ns.proboards.com etc for now and change it to ns1.linode.com or whatever later? Here are the instructions, cut and pasted - probably won't show up right: ▼I have an existing domain name To link your existing domain name to your ProBoards forum, we must first ensure that your domain name is set up properly. You can have ProBoards manage the domain (most users prefer this option), or you can manage the domain yourself. ▼I want ProBoards to manage my DNS (recommended) In order for ProBoards to manage your domain name's DNS, you must update your domain name's nameservers to point to: ns.proboards.comns2.proboards.comYou will need to update this setting with the company you registered your domain name with. Here are links to how-to guides from some of the popular domain name registrars: GoDaddy - Change nameservers Enom - Change nameservers Tucows - Change nameservers Network Solutions - Change nameservers ▼I want to manage my DNS Option 1: CNAME (Preferred) This option is ideal for customers that use a subdomain, e.g. "forum.example.com". Warning: If you use a root domain, e.g. "example.com", this option may not work for you unless your DNS provider supports CNAME Flattening or ALIAS records. To use this option, set your CNAME or ALIAS record for your forum domain to: customdomain.proboards.com. (The dot at the end should be included, unless your DNS provider won't accept it) Option 2: CNAME through Cloudflare This option is ideal for customers that use a root domain, e.g. "example.com" or "www.example.com", when Option 1 is not available. Sign up for an account on Cloudflare (free). Once registered and logged in, click on the Add Site button. Enter your domain name (e.g. "your-domain-name-here.com") when prompted, then continue. Select the Free plan (no premium feature is required for this guide). You should be taken to your DNS settings following your confirmation of your plan selection. Add a new CNAME record using the information in the below screenshot and click on the orange cloud to change it to a gray cloud. The CNAME should be pointed at customdomain.proboards.com exactly as typed in the screenshot below — it should NOT be pointed at your forum's URL. Example of adding a CNAME record in Cloudflare Once you've successfully added the CNAME it should appear in the list, with the same data as you entered above. Ensure that "Value" says "is an alias of customdomain.proboards.com". Example showing added CNAME record in Cloudflare Continue to the final step. You will be asked to change your domain's nameservers to point to Cloudflare. This must be done through your domain's control panel provided by your domain registrar. If you're unfamiliar with how to change your DNS settings consult your domain registrar's help articles or contact their support team. Click on Continue. Your nameserver changes should propagate throughout the Internet over the course of the next several hours. Once you have set up the DNS records, continue down below.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 19:29:33 GMT
If you know for sure that you want to migrate away from proboards eventually, and you or zikzak or someone is prepared to manage it, it might make sense to just go ahead and setup something like Amazon Route 53 to manage DNS, which can point to proboards for now (via the CNAME) and then point somewhere else later if you move the site. Route 53 should be super cheap (less than a dollar per month) and will work no matter where the site goes in the future.
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Post by microbet on Jun 18, 2019 19:36:44 GMT
If you know for sure that you want to migrate away from proboards eventually, and you or zikzak or someone is prepared to manage it, it might make sense to just go ahead and setup something like Amazon Route 53 to manage DNS, which can point to proboards for now (via the CNAME) and then point somewhere else later if you move the site. Route 53 should be super cheap (less than a dollar per month) and will work no matter where the site goes in the future. For what purpose though? Just changing the name servers with the registrar accomplishes the same thing for free, no? There might be a few hours where people are not going to the same place? Not sure if that's worth any extra complexity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 19:43:18 GMT
It depends on how you host the site. If you use a managed service like Proboards then sure, you register their name servers as authoritative for the domain and they manage the actual DNS records that point unstuckpolitics.com => ip address of their server.
If you host a discourse forum yourself, or phpBB, then that probably would not be the case. Or, the hosting company you choose may also have a web UI for managing DNS like Route 53, in which case it may be free with your other hosting services. So then you would register the new hosting companies name servers, and use their tool to setup whatever records you need. And you would repeat the process if you ever moved hosting services.
The potential benefit of just choosing to manage it yourself from the beginning is not having to move things around depending on future changes to your hosting. But it's not the biggest deal, and I don't think you can make a big mistake either way.
The other thing I can think of is that it's possible -- depending on where you host the site -- there may be some relevant concerns about DNS for sending email and avoiding spam blacklists. I'm not sure how much you ought to worry about that. Mostly in the past I've just used AWS with their simple email service and route 53 which made things fairly easy. It would be something I would research when picking hosting providers in any case?
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Post by simplicitus on Jun 18, 2019 19:45:25 GMT
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Post by otatop on Jun 18, 2019 19:46:39 GMT
Already works for me, we might want to have it redirect to https://exiledpolitics.freeforums.net/ just for added security.
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Post by simplicitus on Jun 18, 2019 19:50:21 GMT
I clicked on https forwarding as another option. I think it said that could take 24 hrs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 19:51:23 GMT
FWIW I don't think a permanent redirect is quite what you want. Mostly because the redirect tells the browser that "exiledpolitics.freeforums.net" is the real address for the site, and "unstuckpolitics.com" is not, and ought to be replaced with the freeforums.net address. So even if someone starts off using unstuckpolitics.com, if they bookmark the site the bookmark will be for freeforums.net.
I think the instructions microbet posted are a more future-proof way of accomplishing this. When it's setup via DNS instead of an HTTP redirect than the browser will actually think of the site as unstuckpolitics.com, and bookmarks and such will survive a move, whereas with the redirect they will not.
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Post by microbet on Jun 18, 2019 19:56:40 GMT
It depends on how you host the site. If you use a managed service like Proboards then sure, you register their name servers as authoritative for the domain and they manage the actual DNS records that point unstuckpolitics.com => ip address of their server. If you host a discourse forum yourself, or phpBB, then that probably would not be the case. Or, the hosting company you choose may also have a web UI for managing DNS like Route 53, in which case it may be free with your other hosting services. So then you would register the new hosting companies name servers, and use their tool to setup whatever records you need. And you would repeat the process if you ever moved hosting services. The potential benefit of just choosing to manage it yourself from the beginning is not having to move things around depending on future changes to your hosting. But it's not the biggest deal, and I don't think you can make a big mistake either way. The other thing I can think of is that it's possible -- depending on where you host the site -- there may be some relevant concerns about DNS for sending email and avoiding spam blacklists. I'm not sure how much you ought to worry about that. Mostly in the past I've just used AWS with their simple email service and route 53 which made things fairly easy. It would be something I would research when picking hosting providers in any case? My experience doing this as a sysad/unix admin/whatever is all with Linode and they have a UI for it which comes with the hosting service. I would guess Digital Ocean and the other competitors have that as well. I set up phpbb on my Linode server with a custom domain and it was no problem. There is some resistance to using Amazon to consider here as well, so if there's not really a good reason for it, we probably won't use it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 20:00:47 GMT
There is some resistance to using Amazon to consider here as well, so if there's not really a good reason for it, we probably won't use it. Fair. I think the generalized advice then is that if you already know who is going to host the new site you may as well manage your own DNS and avoid an extra step later, whether it's digital ocean (I like them a lot) or linode (haven't used them). But yeah, it doesn't matter that much. The HTTP redirect vs DNS CNAME issue is more important by a lot.
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Post by microbet on Jun 18, 2019 20:02:47 GMT
I clicked on https forwarding as another option. I think it said that could take 24 hrs. Ok, this works, but I think we probably still want to change the name servers (don't do it yet) because then people will stick on unstuckpolitics.com when they get here that way. The objective here is to transition to where exiledpolitics fades away and is seamlessly supplanted by unstuckpolitics.com for everyone - not just the people paying attention to announcements. Or we could just change the nameservers once and leave notices all over exiledpolitics to go to unstuck and figure that's enough.
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Post by microbet on Jun 18, 2019 20:04:42 GMT
There is some resistance to using Amazon to consider here as well, so if there's not really a good reason for it, we probably won't use it. Fair. I think the generalized advice then is that if you already know who is going to host the new site you may as well manage your own DNS and avoid an extra step later, whether it's digital ocean (I like them a lot) or linode (haven't used them). But yeah, it doesn't matter that much. The HTTP redirect vs DNS CNAME issue is more important by a lot. HTTP redirect is absolutely not the right thing to do for the new hosting, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 20:09:26 GMT
HTTP redirect is absolutely not the right thing to do for the new hosting, right? Right. You don't really want an HTTP redirect at all. But the redirect will stop working automatically when you change the NS entries for the domain to point somewhere other than the registrar (whether proboards, linode, digital ocean, or ...)
Right now, the registrar can setup an HTTP redirect because they are managing DNS for the domain, so they create an A record that points to some server of theirs, and configure the web server on that machine to respond to requests with the HTTP redirect. In the future, when you modify DNS, those requests for unstuckpolitics.com won't be going to the registrar's server anymore.
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Post by microbet on Jun 18, 2019 20:16:06 GMT
HTTP redirect is absolutely not the right thing to do for the new hosting, right? Right. You don't really want an HTTP redirect at all. But the redirect will stop working automatically when you change the NS entries for the domain to point somewhere other than the registrar (whether proboards, linode, digital ocean, or ...)
Right now, the registrar can setup an HTTP redirect because they are managing DNS for the domain, so they create an A record that points to some server of theirs, and configure the web server on that machine to respond to requests with the HTTP redirect. In the future, when you modify DNS, those requests for unstuckpolitics.com won't be going to the registrar's server anymore.
Thanks. Do you think there's a benefit to pointing Unstuck here for a time? I don't know how many people use bookmarks and if that would matter. Or what happens on the frequently visited links that google puts up and whether they would start showing unstuck or stay with exiled if we had a redirect. You understand I think that we're trying to manage the transition while losing as few people as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 20:21:23 GMT
I think it's useful to start using unstuckpolitics.com immediately, even if you don't move to a new site right away. Maybe it's marginal but you get bookmarks, search engines learn about the domain, etc. If you can get everyone in the habit of using that domain then you will have less confusion when/if the site moves. It gives you time to try to coerce people into using the correct domain too, although I suppose if you do move this board will still exist and can have messages plastered everywhere to go to the new site, so maybe it's not that urgent.
But it's also just symbolic, IMO. It feels good to have your own domain. That might just be me.
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Post by simplicitus on Jun 18, 2019 22:11:30 GMT
Will look into using unstuckpolitics.com as the "real" location later. Will freeforums permit that? Is it an option in their settings? Can an admin check?
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Post by microbet on Jun 18, 2019 22:14:18 GMT
Will look into using unstuckpolitics.com as the "real" location later. Will freeforums permit that? Is it an option in their settings? Can an admin check? Yes, they will permit it. The long post I made a few up there is copy/paste from the freeforums/proboards page on setting that up. It won't work straight off though. The proboards settings have to be changed (and paid for, $13 I think) first, so hold off on that.
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Post by zikzak on Jun 30, 2019 14:38:10 GMT
PUBLIC DISCLOSURE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT'S ALL OFFICIAL AND STUFF(™)
I'm about to ask simplicitus to share domain management access with me for unstuckpolitics.com
This will NOT change ownership
This WILL give me the ability to manage DNS settings and (hopefully) change registrars
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Post by simplicitus on Jul 1, 2019 3:32:01 GMT
I'm happy to complete the steps zikzak proposes in his msg to me to share domain management access. The message noted that: "The first thing I'd like to do is move the domain to a different registrar, which will make it a lot easier for us to have a couple required email addresses for the new forum. I'd also set up a temporary subdomain for us to work on for the move, and then of course the final changes when the move happens. The registrar I'd like to move to is gandi.net. They've been around for a very long time and have an impeccable reputation among the nerds and EFF types."
I frankly don't see any need to change registrars away from google, but you seem more into the topic and I may be missing something. I also don't mind having a "co-manager". I'll wait until sometime tomorrow to implement, pending any other comments, but you are a long standing poster and I see no issues.
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Post by simplicitus on Jul 2, 2019 2:15:53 GMT
zikzak now has sharred domain management access. As I haven't been reading most administrative threads, he's likely the guy to contact with domain management ideas.
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