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Post by microbet on Jun 14, 2019 17:45:43 GMT
Think about this. If we don't have the custom domain here, whenever we ask people to move, there will be 200 people who never paid attention to the announcement. We need to have the custom domain here first so that when we do switch over, people will just be redirected. There are lots of things we can do to overcome the many possible difficulties involved in the transition, but please, let's not go over every hypothetical. Please, let's not worry about other problems. One step at a time. There's no reason some other action has to be done before this action. This is just preparing things to move forward. It's removing a step to a later more difficult process and decision.
We should probably do a poll on this. I don't know if it should be here and just gov people or if it should be in ATF and have everyone vote. I don't think the mass of people who aren't paying attention to gov/ownership/admin stuff would care one bit, so I hope we make this decision based on the principles of giving everyone a chance to participate and seeing if there are objections, rather than waiting for some kind of quorum/mandate.
Also, let's not worry about the details of getting simplicitus to comment on this right now either. Yes, he'll have to be involved. Why would he object? He's not around very much, let's not let waiting for him block us from saying "go ahead."
Please comment if you approve or object. Even though this isn't a vote, having as many people as possible respond will help this move forward.
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Post by jbro on Jun 14, 2019 17:49:50 GMT
Is this for board members to approve or anybody? I approve as a common peep.
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Post by microbet on Jun 14, 2019 17:52:22 GMT
Is this for board members to approve or anybody? I approve as a common peep. I don't know. I hope everyone comments who is interested. I put this thread here because I don't mean to usurp authority from the "government". If the government takes this up, then great. If they have more or less disbanded, then we shouldn't let than mean we can do nothing. |
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Post by Devil on Jun 14, 2019 18:17:26 GMT
I don't know quite what's involved but it sounds like a reasonable step.
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Post by IrishRunner on Jun 14, 2019 18:25:21 GMT
Sounds good to me. I think the vast majority of members just want to read and post in the threads they're interested in and don't want to be involved in even reading the governance stuff let alone take part in it. It's crucial that when the move is made, we don't lose people who aren't paying close attention. Your suggestion should take care of that just fine.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jun 14, 2019 18:33:56 GMT
While I'm sure it's been considered can we just make 100% sure that if the unstuck domain is pointed at this forum on proBoards that it can be repointed at a later date - ie that whatever proBoards do doesn't require us to transfer the domain name to them in some way - the small print etc.
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Post by otatop on Jun 14, 2019 18:37:12 GMT
We should probably do a poll on this. Disagree, the democratic polls for everything plan has failed in every instance and besides we already had multiple polls on the name and are in general agreement that this forum will become Unstuck Politics hosted at unstuckpolitics.com. If we can't do something as simple as updating our links from exiledpolitics.freeforums.net to the name we all voted on (or 64 of us, anyway) without having yet another poll, we're never advancing beyond polls. |
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Post by microbet on Jun 14, 2019 18:43:39 GMT
Potato,
Maybe you're right. I just wanted to give the government a chance to act on this. If anyone else feels like a poll should not be done or like one must be done please make that known.
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Post by Trolly on Jun 14, 2019 19:38:46 GMT
Is there a link to the new site?
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Post by otatop on Jun 14, 2019 19:49:26 GMT
This thread has links to zikzak's Discourse test site and microbet's phpBB test site, the link to the new site will be www.unstuckpolitics.com but right now it's a parking page I think.
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Post by jbro on Jun 14, 2019 19:55:41 GMT
Is there a link to the new site? micro is proposing to point the unstuck domain at the current forum. So "this" is the new site for now. Later on when we get an actual new site, we will point the unstuck domain at that site, and therefore it won't be so hard to move everybody over. At least that's what I think is going on anyway. |
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Post by zikzak on Jun 14, 2019 20:29:10 GMT
So what happens to exiledpolitics.freeforums.net, which is what everybody has bookmarked now? Do both domains resolve to this forum? If so, how do we get people to update their bookmarks? If not, we're in the same boat as far as people not knowing where the new forum is.
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Post by jbro on Jun 14, 2019 20:30:54 GMT
That's what we're not paying you to figure out.
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Post by zikzak on Jun 14, 2019 20:37:38 GMT
Having unstuckpolitics.com resolve to this forum sounds like a good idea if that can be done, but I still think we're going to have to spam the email accounts of all the registered users whenever (if ever) we move.
Having unstuckpolitics.com resolve to a new proboards forum that we plan to soon abandon seems pointless.
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Post by microbet on Jun 14, 2019 20:39:55 GMT
So what happens to exiledpolitics.freeforums.net, which is what everybody has bookmarked now? Do both domains resolve to this forum? If so, how do we get people to update their bookmarks? If not, we're in the same boat as far as people not knowing where the new forum is. Both will work. You can have multiple custom domains to the same forum. This page doesn't exactly say this explicitly, but it's pretty sure imo. I'll ask support though and get a response just to be 100%. www.proboards.com/admin-guide/upgrades/custom-domains |
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Post by zikzak on Jun 14, 2019 20:42:27 GMT
"I want ProBoards to manage my DNS"
lol no, we absolutely do not want that.
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Post by microbet on Jun 14, 2019 20:42:27 GMT
Having unstuckpolitics.com resolve to this forum sounds like a good idea if that can be done, but I still think we're going to have to spam the email accounts of all the registered users whenever (if ever) we move. Having unstuckpolitics.com resolve to a new proboards forum that we plan to soon abandon seems pointless. Agree. |
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Post by microbet on Jun 14, 2019 20:42:59 GMT
"I want ProBoards to manage my DNS" lol no, we absolutely do not want that. Agree. |
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Post by lapka on Jun 14, 2019 23:31:58 GMT
Having unstuckpolitics.com resolve to this forum sounds like a good idea if that can be done, but I still think we're going to have to spam the email accounts of all the registered users whenever (if ever) we move. Having unstuckpolitics.com resolve to a new proboards forum that we plan to soon abandon seems pointless. Did I miss something? Why new proboards forum? It makes absolutely sense to have the domain already here somehow. And I think it is a great small task, that really can be done. otatop micro made me so laugh with potato. It is obvious, but I somehow never would see it, if micro wouldn't point it out.  |
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Post by whosnext on Jun 15, 2019 1:06:10 GMT
Maybe it's because I am stoopid, but I do not understand what is being suggested.
Could someone explain it like I'm a five year old?
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Post by jbro on Jun 15, 2019 1:20:13 GMT
The URL to the current forums landing page will be UnstuckPolitics.com. At some point if we move UnstuckPolitics.com will be set to resolve to the location of the new forum.
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Post by microbet on Jun 15, 2019 3:05:08 GMT
So what happens to exiledpolitics.freeforums.net, which is what everybody has bookmarked now? Do both domains resolve to this forum? If so, how do we get people to update their bookmarks? If not, we're in the same boat as far as people not knowing where the new forum is. The existing url will continue to work for people as long as we have the custom domain on proboards. People will have a chance to update their bookmarks or for the frequently visited pages stuff to change. I asked the question in support and someone referred me to this exchange: question: Forum URL: unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/ We would like to expand our forum and drive more traffic to it. My idea is to set up our own domain and have the forum as subdomain - forum.ourdomain.com. Is it possible to pay for a re-direct so that anyone who tries to use the current unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/ address is re-directed to the new forum.ourdomain.com. I think this is important as the website is a seasonal sport website which risks losing current members if a re-direct is not in place. We believe that by having a more magazine style website, we can bring more traffic to the forum. We are happy for the forum to appear exactly as it does now in the sub-domain. Many thanks answer: when you add a custom domain (or subdomain) to the forum, the original URL remains connected to the forum and so users will still be able to access the forum. Once you set up the custom domain linking (Admin > Upgrades > Custom Domains) you will be able to designate the custom/sub domain as the default URL. So even if established members visit the site via the original url, once on the site the new custom/sub domain will appear in the address bar of the browser. (You might even post a notice on the forum to alert members to update their browser bookmark.) |
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Post by microbet on Jun 15, 2019 3:21:58 GMT
I don't think there's any reason not to do this. The domain will work either way. It will help us move. It will help us promote the site or even start to think about promoting the site. It has no impact on ownership or management of the site at all. This move, along with removing the objection some people have had "we can't do anything because the guy with the keys isn't around", are the only reasons I petitioned to add admins. I'll be perfectly happy to retire as admin once we are UnstuckPolitics.com.
Hoping some more people, especially people who were elected to the government committee, come in here with their consideration and hopefully support.
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Post by zan nen on Jun 15, 2019 4:18:40 GMT
...Hoping some more people, especially people who were elected to the government committee, come in here with their consideration and hopefully support. As far as I'm concerned/remember, the decision to become unstuckpolitics.com was made before the gov. comm. was actually mandated. Pointing the URL here is just implementing that previously made decision. Pointing the URL here doesn't impact at all any issues regarding our internal decision making, nor does it impact any sense of the word ownership. As such, and to be clear I'm speaking here as an individual and not as a spokesperson for the gov. comm., it's not really a matter the gov. comm. needs to weigh in on. I'm 100% behind pointing the URL here. |
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Post by gregorio on Jun 15, 2019 5:05:17 GMT
I can't think of any reason not to do this
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Post by King of NY on Jun 15, 2019 11:33:54 GMT
Neither can I but tbf my knowledge of how the internet works is relatively limited compared to those of you working on this. Is there a downside? Sorry if I missed it above.
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Post by microbet on Jun 15, 2019 16:36:12 GMT
I certainly wouldn't object if one of the other people with access went ahead and did something about this, but I'm going to wait until Monday night/Tuesday morning to give a little more time here before doing anything.
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Post by SensiblePerson on Jun 15, 2019 17:10:28 GMT
Approve.
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Post by Marksman on Jun 16, 2019 0:21:42 GMT
Someone has the domain right? All the have to do is go to the registrar and direct here. This should have been done the day the domain was registered to be honest and that is not a shot at the person who went out of their way to secure the domain. It’s just that it takes like 30:seconds and there is no risk or downside.
Someone could register SuperStuckpolitics.com” and forward it here. I mean this is really trivial. This is not something to be voted on.
I think I have more experience dealing with domains than most here. The benefit is people can use the url now and we can publicize / promote / refer to it. As microbes noted when moved it will be redirected to hit the new site.
Just so people know unless you are just sitting on a domain for the future or speculating, this is literally the first thing you do. At least it has been for the hundreds and hundreds of times I have done it. This is unstuck politics for now. Nothing is going to be tarnished by doing this or hurt in the long term.
i apologize to not remembering who got the domain. It is greatly appreciated. This is the kind of baby step that begets a next baby step. If we need to have a general vote or committee for something this trivial than we should just shut it down.
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Post by jalfrezi on Jun 16, 2019 12:11:07 GMT
Approve
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