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Post by skiier04 on Apr 21, 2019 15:36:51 GMT
Saw some discussion about getting some long-form content on this site and thought I'd offer my time and take advantage of the rare chance to put my English degree to use Not sure what direction we want to take things in terms of what to post, but I feel I have expertise and experience in politics, sports, and tech/current events. I also still play poker full time if we want to work on some content in that area. Flexible and open to other ideas as well.
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Post by jmakin on Apr 21, 2019 20:53:36 GMT
I say if you want to write just make a new thread for it and go from there.
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Post by commonWealth (admin) on Apr 22, 2019 6:14:25 GMT
I think my plan is, once we move to the new site and I have some time, to start setting up a CMS (maybe just WordPress) so that we can publish opinion columns there and such (or re-purpose really good posts into opinion columns, of course with permission of and credit to the poster).
But yeah, for now just contributing on the forums will help us grow and then once we get that going, I'll check in on this thread and see who all wants to get involved in the more formal writing.
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Post by superuberbob on Apr 22, 2019 11:13:23 GMT
Social media presence is important. Having a Twitter account that links to the articles would bring about some exposure to our site and any articles/podcasts we have.
I can do quite a bit of work at the moment but soon my schedule will change a lot and I don't know where I'll be when it comes to time management and finances. Writing articles is a *huge* commitment because you have to be online at all times to keep yourself fresh. You'd basically be a journalist working for free while others get paid as their full-time job.
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Post by skiier04 on Apr 22, 2019 18:24:41 GMT
Agreed on at least having a twitter. If we just want to be a forum that's fine, but I was thinking perhaps things like candidate profiles, debate coverage, weekly recap type posts. I think something like that, if done well, would add a lot of credibility to the site. Definitely something I'd be willing to spend some hours each week on... and of course the more good contributors the better.
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Post by SenorKeeed on Apr 22, 2019 19:17:49 GMT
Social media presence is important. Having a Twitter account that links to the articles would bring about some exposure to our site and any articles/podcasts we have. I can do quite a bit of work at the moment but soon my schedule will change a lot and I don't know where I'll be when it comes to time management and finances. Writing articles is a *huge* commitment because you have to be online at all times to keep yourself fresh. You'd basically be a journalist working for free while others get paid as their full-time job. For this reason I don't think that we should commit to a purely not-for-profit model if this site or any of its content ever generates revenue. The plan that cuse seems to have for this site seems to be offshoot of 2+2, then organically grow the user base with long-form content generated from the folks that post here. Great. But I think that if this site ever does generate significant revenue, then committing now to donating all that revenue to an agreed-upon charity is a bad idea. But I do think that some sort of co-op structure might work. You could give folks who generate a lot of clicks/content/listens say half of the revenue that their content generates, take a quarter to the upkeep of the site, and donate a quarter to agreed-upon charities. Gives everyone a stake and a motive to generate good content.
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Post by catfacemeowmers on Apr 22, 2019 20:07:51 GMT
Count me in for contributing some writing if and when things get to that stage.
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Post by commonWealth (admin) on Apr 23, 2019 9:47:14 GMT
Social media presence is important. Having a Twitter account that links to the articles would bring about some exposure to our site and any articles/podcasts we have. I can do quite a bit of work at the moment but soon my schedule will change a lot and I don't know where I'll be when it comes to time management and finances. Writing articles is a *huge* commitment because you have to be online at all times to keep yourself fresh. You'd basically be a journalist working for free while others get paid as their full-time job. Agreed on social media. I don't want to try to put out straight news content, though. We're not going to compete with CNN or the AP. Our angle would be commentary, opinion and analysis... Advocating for a position, or putting news into context. So it doesn't require being up to date at all times - just reading up on whatever you want to write about. I'm in the same spot with regard to having some time now and being really busy in a month or so. But given that moving the forum is the first priority, it seems more likely that we won't get the "news" side of it going super quickly here... Which is fine, I think. It's more of a pet project and cool thing to do than big priority for the community. Agreed on at least having a twitter. If we just want to be a forum that's fine, but I was thinking perhaps things like candidate profiles, debate coverage, weekly recap type posts. I think something like that, if done well, would add a lot of credibility to the site. Definitely something I'd be willing to spend some hours each week on... and of course the more good contributors the better. Yeah we definitely want a social media presence. Agreed on that. And I love those types of content you mentioned. I also would love to see something like position papers by different posters. Like one could be on the merits for full single payer, someone else could argue the merits of doing Medicare for All where people have the option to buy in, etc... The site itself doesn't have to endorse specific policies, but individual writers can. But I just think a lot of people might be interested in learning like, what do people say about the pros and cons of different competing policy ideas. We've got a lot of bright people that can make some of the best arguments for and against a policy. I also think that writing strategy content or speech ideas, then coming up with a systematic method of pushing that content toward campaigns could be effective if we start to have a more powerful voice - it could be through direct contact or social media. Social media presence is important. Having a Twitter account that links to the articles would bring about some exposure to our site and any articles/podcasts we have. I can do quite a bit of work at the moment but soon my schedule will change a lot and I don't know where I'll be when it comes to time management and finances. Writing articles is a *huge* commitment because you have to be online at all times to keep yourself fresh. You'd basically be a journalist working for free while others get paid as their full-time job. For this reason I don't think that we should commit to a purely not-for-profit model if this site or any of its content ever generates revenue. The plan that cuse seems to have for this site seems to be offshoot of 2+2, then organically grow the user base with long-form content generated from the folks that post here. Great. But I think that if this site ever does generate significant revenue, then committing now to donating all that revenue to an agreed-upon charity is a bad idea. But I do think that some sort of co-op structure might work. You could give folks who generate a lot of clicks/content/listens say half of the revenue that their content generates, take a quarter to the upkeep of the site, and donate a quarter to agreed-upon charities. Gives everyone a stake and a motive to generate good content. To be clear, the profits going to charity or candidates or whatever cause we want is more about the ad revenue from the forums themselves. It's not my place to take ownership of the forums, or any other one person's. We should cover costs, then figure out what to do with the profits. I would want to take ownership over a separate part of the site I was running - like the articles/columns/etc, assuming I was the one coordinating it, editing, writing, etc. At first it'll all have to be uncompensated because it won't generate much of anything. But if it works, I would want to have those profits be mine and then form a compensation plan for writers which would be some sort of % share. I would be comfortable promising to donate a certain chunk of that to one of our causes, given that the forum and the media operation would be in a symbiotic relationship, and it would have been fed into greatly by a forum that I do not have ownership of. The same would be true of any other offshoot ideas that people follow through on that are set up on our site. So I agree that the site overall should not have a purely non-profit model, I just don't think the forum itself is to be "owned" by anyone. What we need to do is make sure that the community has a sort of agreement/understanding of that and where the lines are and what is fair for those who are producing non-forum content that may or may not someday generate revenue. Another element is that if the content side starts to be really productive, we may run into other issues as a community where posting, new content ideas/offshoots, etc could hurt the other "brands" living under our banner, so that may be something to talk about in advance, too.
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Post by superuberbob on Apr 23, 2019 10:52:21 GMT
Social media presence is important. Having a Twitter account that links to the articles would bring about some exposure to our site and any articles/podcasts we have. I can do quite a bit of work at the moment but soon my schedule will change a lot and I don't know where I'll be when it comes to time management and finances. Writing articles is a *huge* commitment because you have to be online at all times to keep yourself fresh. You'd basically be a journalist working for free while others get paid as their full-time job. Agreed on social media. I don't want to try to put out straight news content, though. We're not going to compete with CNN or the AP. Our angle would be commentary, opinion and analysis... Advocating for a position, or putting news into context. So it doesn't require being up to date at all times - just reading up on whatever you want to write about. I'm in the same spot with regard to having some time now and being really busy in a month or so. But given that moving the forum is the first priority, it seems more likely that we won't get the "news" side of it going super quickly here... Which is fine, I think. It's more of a pet project and cool thing to do than big priority for the community. Even if it's not straight news content, we have to be sure if we do publish an opinion piece that such an opinion isn't invalid the next day (or even hour) due to some news story. Nothing would be shittier than working on a piece only to have news break an hour after it that invalidates everything you said.
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Post by Marksman on Apr 23, 2019 21:06:41 GMT
Saw some discussion about getting some long-form content on this site and thought I'd offer my time and take advantage of the rare chance to put my English degree to use Not sure what direction we want to take things in terms of what to post, but I feel I have expertise and experience in politics, sports, and tech/current events. I also still play poker full time if we want to work on some content in that area. Flexible and open to other ideas as well. I know my posts don’t hint at it in anyway but I have experience in article writing and with actual editing and management of myself, I believe I could contribute an occasional article on a top that speaks to me. i don’t think I would fare well as a regular contributor but once in a while I get a burr strong enough for me to create something that I think would be beneficial.
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Post by skiier04 on Apr 23, 2019 22:33:42 GMT
Lots of good ideas. I think it would be good to have one or two lead editors to work on a posting schedule and look over articles before anything is published. I have lots of ideas--but kind of in a holding pattern for now until I see the direction people want to move with this thing.
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Post by master3004 on Apr 24, 2019 17:11:59 GMT
Ive always wanted to write a long form article on the myth of the American work week and the comparisons to work/life conditions around the world. If you are looking for something like that I have a few avenues im looking to explore in that vein.
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Post by commonWealth (admin) on Apr 25, 2019 4:20:06 GMT
Saw some discussion about getting some long-form content on this site and thought I'd offer my time and take advantage of the rare chance to put my English degree to use Not sure what direction we want to take things in terms of what to post, but I feel I have expertise and experience in politics, sports, and tech/current events. I also still play poker full time if we want to work on some content in that area. Flexible and open to other ideas as well. I know my posts don’t hint at it in anyway but I have experience in article writing and with actual editing and management of myself, I believe I could contribute an occasional article on a top that speaks to me. i don’t think I would fare well as a regular contributor but once in a while I get a burr strong enough for me to create something that I think would be beneficial. This is sort of how I see it going, a few people contributing regularly, with however many editors are needed, and then the rest of the community welcome to submit stuff to be edited and posted. Those of us with writing experience could help out those without it in terms of editing for grammar, polishing, and even helping them to find better ways to express their ideas... We wouldn't really be editing the ideas as much, although we would serve as basic level gatekeepers. In other words, I'd have no problem editing a piece advocating for single payer, for the public option, or even for ACA reforms that stop short of the public option, and helping each of them express their views... But I would serve as a gatekeeper against conspiracy theories, unsubstantiated claims, bigotry, etc. Lots of good ideas. I think it would be good to have one or two lead editors to work on a posting schedule and look over articles before anything is published. I have lots of ideas--but kind of in a holding pattern for now until I see the direction people want to move with this thing. Agreed, I have a ton of ideas as well - but it may take until like July or August to really start moving forward on it. Basically if the forum moves before I head west for the WSOP, I'd try to get it going first... if not, I wouldn't be able to do it until after. One of my ideas in addition to the columns is to basically summarize the best arguments for each position on a topic - or to analyze each party's position, each candidates position, etc on a given topic. Here's what the candidate says, here's what that means in plain English with no BS, here's why we think it's good/bad. Another idea is to have our columnists disclose their party registration and views on each position on a bio page, so someone can read a column and then click over and see what perspective that writer is coming from. Those types of things could be added later, but they're some of the thoughts that have popped into my head that I want to think about a little more and perhaps do something with. I don't necessarily care if we have a schedule or not to start, but the best way to go IMO is to have stuff written in advance and scheduled to be published at optimal times for Google News traffic if we get indexed. Obviously if it's analysis of breaking news and such, it happens when the news happens. A lot of the columns could be written over a period of days/weeks if they go really in depth, like this... Ive always wanted to write a long form article on the myth of the American work week and the comparisons to work/life conditions around the world. If you are looking for something like that I have a few avenues im looking to explore in that vein. This is a great example. I'm sure a lot of posters have topics that they are passionate about, and I'd love to help them as needed, but really create a platform for the bright minds on our forum to express their views beyond our forum on a site that has the respectability/gravitas to serve as a strong platform.
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Post by catfacemeowmers on Apr 25, 2019 15:25:11 GMT
Have you guys ever heard of or read the Skimm? Basically it's a newsletter sent by email every morning with a quick rundown of the previous day's news, meant to be easily digestible. It's consumer base is primarily millennial women I think, but not exclusively.
It's pretty successful, but in my opinion the content is absolutely terrible. They both sides everything to the point where I don't think it's an accurate summation of the news. But that's neither here nor there.
Once we get enough of a user base, I think that's a good way to both get new users (sign up for the newsletter, stay for the forums) and to have members take on some writing that is not as intensive as a long form piece. Doing it daily might be too much work, at least to start, but I don't see why we can't do like a Wednesday newsletter and a weekend edition that comes out Saturday or Sunday.
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Post by skydiver8 on Apr 26, 2019 4:08:55 GMT
I can write, but I can also talk. Not meaning I talk a lot, but that I have a clear, unaccented, alto voice. Any thoughts on podcasts or video content that needs narration?
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Post by microbet on Apr 26, 2019 6:21:26 GMT
To be clear, the profits going to charity or candidates or whatever cause we want is more about the ad revenue from the forums themselves. It's not my place to take ownership of the forums, or any other one person's. We should cover costs, then figure out what to do with the profits. I would want to take ownership over a separate part of the site I was running - like the articles/columns/etc, assuming I was the one coordinating it, editing, writing, etc. At first it'll all have to be uncompensated because it won't generate much of anything. But if it works, I would want to have those profits be mine and then form a compensation plan for writers which would be some sort of % share. I would be comfortable promising to donate a certain chunk of that to one of our causes, given that the forum and the media operation would be in a symbiotic relationship, and it would have been fed into greatly by a forum that I do not have ownership of. The same would be true of any other offshoot ideas that people follow through on that are set up on our site. So I agree that the site overall should not have a purely non-profit model, I just don't think the forum itself is to be "owned" by anyone. What we need to do is make sure that the community has a sort of agreement/understanding of that and where the lines are and what is fair for those who are producing non-forum content that may or may not someday generate revenue. Another element is that if the content side starts to be really productive, we may run into other issues as a community where posting, new content ideas/offshoots, etc could hurt the other "brands" living under our banner, so that may be something to talk about in advance, too. +1 to all this. Ad money for the site if it ever comes can be figured out when/if it happens. I could see myself trying something myself that is somehow related to the site but could also be business for me, though I'm thinking more of like a module or plug-in to the forum software and maybe it would be more like consulting/service on something open-source. Or maybe publishing a manifesto. Also micro-daughter would probably be interested in doing some political journalism.
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Post by commonWealth (admin) on Apr 26, 2019 17:51:17 GMT
I'm assuming micro-daughter is your daughter, micro, and not currently a member of the forum? I don't know how old she is, but if she's interested in journalism and ever has any questions about where to go to school/what to study/how to get started/etc, feel free to ask - I went to school for Broadcast Journalism and would be happy to offer up any advice/help I could.
And if she's interested in contributing here, she's certainly welcome.
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Post by master3004 on Apr 26, 2019 18:24:57 GMT
I'm assuming micro-daughter is your daughter, micro, and not currently a member of the forum? I don't know how old she is, but if she's interested in journalism and ever has any questions about where to go to school/what to study/how to get started/etc, feel free to ask - I went to school for Broadcast Journalism and would be happy to offer up any advice/help I could. And if she's interested in contributing here, she's certainly welcome. Seconded. I graduated with a bachelors in radio/tv brosdcast communications, got my wife pregnant and realized "Whoops! There is no money in this business starting out." So got a masters in Accounting instead. That being said, I love the business so im happy to help if she has any questions.
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Post by microbet on Apr 26, 2019 18:28:19 GMT
I'm assuming micro-daughter is your daughter, micro, and not currently a member of the forum? I don't know how old she is, but if she's interested in journalism and ever has any questions about where to go to school/what to study/how to get started/etc, feel free to ask - I went to school for Broadcast Journalism and would be happy to offer up any advice/help I could. And if she's interested in contributing here, she's certainly welcome. Cool and thanks. She's 19 and doesn't exactly have a major/profession picked, but some kind of writing/journalism is probably going to happen (already has). Your help and feedback would be great if she wants to do anything here.
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Post by microbet on Apr 26, 2019 18:29:00 GMT
And thanks master3004
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